Cracks in the MAGA Coalition

Fractures are already showing in the MAGA coalition,
and they haven’t even taken power yet.


When a party out of power suddenly finds itself on the verge of taking control of the White House and both houses of Congress, you’d expect to find them coasting on a wave of good feeling. Victory salves all wounds, so everybody should be ready to dance with everybody else at the inaugural balls.

Strangely, though, MAGAWorld is full of conflict these days. One Trump-supporting fascist (Steve Bannon) is calling another Trump-supporting fascist (Elon Musk) a “toddler” who needs a “wellness check” from Child Protective Services. And American workers, says Vivek Ramaswamy, can’t compete with immigrants because they suffer from our “culture”, which venerates mediocrity over excellence.

But wait: Isn’t the whole point of Trumpism that “real” (i.e. White Christian) Americans are victims of the liberal Deep State that wants to “replace” them with brown-skinned Third Worlders? What’s going on?

First skirmish: Foreign investment. Trump owes his election to two groups whose interests don’t match up: White working class voters and ultra-rich technology barons like Elon Musk. During the campaign, Trump could keep his plans vague enough that both were satisfied, and many low-wage workers could imagine that the richest man in the world was their friend.

But now that the election is over, the question keeps coming up: Who’s the real president, Trump or Elon? At first I interpreted such comments as Democratic trolling, trying to stir up trouble in MAGAWorld by taking advantage of Trump’s ego. (I remember in his first term how similar questions about Mike Pence riled him. Speculation at the time was that Trump would bask in the glory of the presidency, leaving Pence to do the actual work of governing.)

But more and more, there seems to be something to the murmurs. The move to reject a compromise and risk a government shutdown last week started with Musk, and Trump eventually got on board. Musk was the leader and Trump the follower.

Support for the stopgap spending bill then collapsed, forcing [House Speaker Mike] Johnson and his leadership team to scramble to find an alternative path forward. As they did, Musk celebrated, proclaiming that “the voice of the people has triumphed”.

It may be more accurate, however, to say that it was Musk’s voice that triumphed.

In the end, Congress passed a continuing resolution that still included the most important extras Democrats wanted: rebuilding the Key Bridge in Baltimore and disaster relief. And it kept government spending at basically the levels set before Republicans took control of the House two years ago.

Trump did not get the extra he wanted: suspending or eliminating the debt limit. But Musk did get what he wanted: The original proposal included an “outbound investment” provision limiting how American companies could invest in China.

We have heard for years about the problem of manufacturing businesses shipping jobs overseas to China, with its low worker wages and low environmental standards. China typically forces businesses wanting to locate factories in its country to transfer their technology and intellectual property to Chinese firms, which can then use that to undercut competitors in global markets, with state support.

Congress has been working itself into a lather about China for years now, and they finally came up with a way to deal with this issue. Sens. John Cornyn (R-TX) and Bob Casey (D-PA) have the flagship bill, which would either prohibit U.S. companies from investing in “sensitive technologies” in China, including semiconductors and artificial intelligence, or set up a broad notification regime around it.

One corporation that would be affected by this is Musk’s Tesla.

Elon Musk’s car company has a significant amount of, well, outbound investment. A Tesla Gigafactory in Shanghai opened in 2019; maybe a quarter of the company’s revenue comes from China. Musk has endorsed building a second Tesla factory in China, where his grip on the electric-vehicle market has completely loosened amid domestic competition. He is working with the Chinese government to bring “Full Self-Driving” technology to China, in other words, importing a technology that may be seen as sensitive. Musk has battery and solar panel factories that are not yet in China, but he may want them there in the future.

Lo and behold: The outbound investment provision vanished from the final version of the continuing resolution. In other words, Republicans in Congress spent their negotiating chips getting what Musk wanted, not what Trump wanted.

Second skirmish: H-1B visas. A second conflict is still playing out: One of the most important issues for the MAGA base is immigration, and in particular protecting the jobs of American citizens from immigrant competition. “They’re taking American jobs” is one of the most effective attacks on immigrants at all levels, even the ones working jobs hardly any Americans want, like picking crops by hand or watching rich people’s kids for practically no pay.

However, American corporations have a different agenda: They want to hire the best people in the world and pay them as little as possible. This is not new. America has been draining the brains of the world at least since the 1930s, when Jews and other anti-fascists escaped from Hitler’s Germany and Mussolini’s Italy. We may sympathize with the American physicists who suddenly had to compete with the likes of Albert Einstein and Enrico Fermi, or American actresses who lost roles to Marlene Dietrich or Hedy Lamarr, but in retrospect it’s hard to feel bad about letting those people into our country.

Similarly today, the US tech industry employs foreign-born workers in jobs many Americans would undoubtedly like to have. The legal vehicle that allows this is the H-1B visa. Employers can sponsor foreign nationals with at least a bachelors degree to apply for H-1B visas that allow them to live and work in the US for three years, with a possible renewal to six years. Currently, 85,000 such visas can be issued each year. 84% of them go to people from India or China. Maybe a handful of those immigrants really are exceptional Einstein-like talents we’d be foolish to turn away, but probably not all 85,000 of them.

The employer has to affirm that the worker will be appropriately paid and that his or her (mostly his) employment won’t negatively impact similar American workers. In practice, though, these provisions are hard to monitor or enforce. Critics charge that H-1B workers are easily abused, because (if no other employers are waiting in the wings) the employer can expel a worker from the US just by withdrawing sponsorship. So H-1B workers can become cheap-but-highly-trained labor that corporations may prefer to American workers that the company doesn’t hold as much leverage over.

Obviously, the tech barons want to be free to import as many cheap engineers and programmers as they want, while Americans with comparable credentials want H-1B visas limited or eliminated. This conflict goes to the heart of what “America First” really means: Should we be strengthening Team America by bringing in talent wherever we can find it, or should we be defending the livelihoods of individual Americans? (An analogy to bring this home: Imagine you’re a young outfielder for the New York Mets, and that you’ve been struggling for playing time so you can prove yourself. How do you feel about the team signing Juan Soto? Your team is better, so your odds of going to the World Series have improved. But your individual prospects have taken a hit.) TPM:

The two sides began to argue on Sunday, after Donald Trump appointed Sriram Krishan, a partner at Andreesen Horowitz, as a White House policy adviser on Artificial Intelligence to work with Sacks, the Trump administration’s crypto and AI czar.

This may seem like a relatively minor White House appointment. However, Krishan has also been a proponent of removing country caps on green cards and H1-B visas, which allow American companies to hire foreign workers for certain specializations.

Nativists like Laura Loomer (who not so long ago was rumored to be having an affair with Trump) found this appointment “deeply disturbing“. Musk and Ramaswamy replied by attacking American workers, with Musk approvingly retweeting a post that described American workers as “retarded”.

Then Musk was attacked back, and responded by taking away privileges on X from people who criticized him. (Remember when Elon was a “free speech absolutist“? It turns out that just applies to Nazis.)

I think Paul Krugman has put his finger on what’s at stake here:

Every political movement is a coalition made up of factions with different goals and priorities. Normally what holds these factions together is realism and a willingness to compromise: Each faction is willing to give the other factions part of what they want in return for part of what it wants.

What’s different about MAGA is that I’m pretty sure that almost all of the movement’s activists (as opposed to the low-information voters who put Trump over the top) knew that he was a con man, without even concepts of a plan to reduce prices. But each faction believed that he was their con man, putting something over on everyone else.

But now the two most important factions — what we might call original MAGA, motivated largely by hostility to immigrants, and tech bro MAGA, seeking a free hand for scams low taxes and deregulation — have gone to war, each apparently fearing that they may themselves have been marks rather than in on the con.

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  • Unknown's avatar Anonymous  On December 30, 2024 at 10:21 am

    I don’t understand why everyone apparently hates the idea of meritocracy.

    “American corporations have a different agenda: They want to hire the best people in the world and pay them as little as possible. This is not new. America has been draining the brains of the world at least since the 1930s…”

    Why is this a bad thing? This is what we WANT corporations doing. Resisting meritocracy is wrong whether it’s coming from the DEI efforts on the left or the America-first types on the right.

    • pauljbradford's avatar pauljbradford  On December 30, 2024 at 10:42 am

      Doug points out that bringing outside talent into the US helps the US overall. It can also hurt individuals who are competing with that outside talent. You can argue that it’s a worthwhile tradeoff, but you can’t (honestly) argue that it’s not a tradeoff.

      • Kelly Schoenhofen's avatar Kelly Schoenhofen  On December 30, 2024 at 3:49 pm

        Doug points out that bringing outside talent into the US helps the US overall.

        But we aren’t; the media keeps referring to H-1B’s as a form of immigration but it’s not; bringing people here in a state of a terrible power imbalance while forcing them to compete in the equivalent of The Hunger Games to have any rights or representation is not a flex.

        I would ask Doug to bring the receipts on this; break down the yearly H-1B visas, then the PERM applications from them, how many turn into actual green cards, and either we stop there or keep going to citizenship.

        I am not an employment lawyer, but I think H-1B visas via a PERM application turn into an EB-3 green card application, of which we have a cap of 40k a year.

        A non-India/China applicants have a 3 year wait, India/China applicant wait is much, much longer. Given that H-1B’s have a six year max, I suspect the successful conversion rate of an H-1B visa to a green card is going to be a small fraction of the 85k/year H-1B cap we currently have, that they want to double/triple/make infinite.

    • Kelly Schoenhofen's avatar Kelly Schoenhofen  On December 30, 2024 at 3:10 pm

      Not to be pedantic, but meritocracy’s definition is ruling or power from merit. As in, a form of government. I know what you mean though, but I’ll just call it merit, not meritocracy.

      I don’t understand why everyone apparently hates the idea of meritocracy.

      Nobody hates the idea of opportunity via merit; I challenge anyone to show an example of anti-merit.

      “American corporations have a different agenda: They want to hire the best people in the world and pay them as little as possible. This is not new. America has been draining the brains of the world at least since the 1930s…”

      Why is this a bad thing? This is what we WANT corporations doing. Resisting meritocracy is wrong whether it’s coming from the DEI efforts on the left or the America-first types on the right.

      If you really buy into “merit” means “how low will you go”, then you’re advocating for no minimum wage, no OSHA, no workplace protections against gender, race, or religious discrimination, sexual harrassment, etc. If that’s really what you call “merit” then we disagree on what words mean and we’re never going to learn from each other.

      Assuming merit means selection based on ability, I’m not sure how DEI is anti-merit.

      If I’m a garment designer and I’ve been hired to design running shorts for women, and my design & test team is all male, (you probably see where this is going), if I value the female input, I will specifically hire a designer/tester that is a woman, and that’s literally DEI. I need a Diverse set of inputs in my shop, not just what a sausage party comes up with. I am hiring her partly because she is a woman.

      We claim to value “outside the box” thinking and “synergy” and all sorts of other corporate bullshit slogans, but when anyone actually tries to hire someone outside the box everyone loses their minds!

      I’m not sure where DEI & Woke became the linguistic/argumentative equivalent of KKK and Nazi, but we need to back up to that spot, and take a different turn, because they aren’t.

  • Unknown's avatar Anonymous  On December 30, 2024 at 11:18 am

    I think that if we are issuing H-1B visas for (for example) software engineers or pharmacists, then we should also be offering tuition-free education for Americans who want to study to become software engineers or pharmacists. H-1B visas address the short term shortage, tuition-free education addresses the long term shortage.

    • Kelly Schoenhofen's avatar Kelly Schoenhofen  On December 30, 2024 at 12:44 pm

      I agree, if we had a shortage of qualified applicants for the roles.

      99% of H-1B visas are for jobs we are awash in existing qualified applicants.

  • Kelly Schoenhofen's avatar Kelly Schoenhofen  On December 30, 2024 at 11:34 am

    Doug, re: your H-1B comments – without really digging into it (this is my pre-apology for just dashing this off, I think it’s better to get some of this written down vs putting it off until I have all my points researched; I’m not President Carter (President Carter isn’t even President Carter now :())

    0) You write virtually everything with a “both sides” phrasing; while H-1B is nuanced it’s not both sides
    1) Einstein capabilities were never meant for H-1B, there is a specific visa for that, the EB-1 (see Melania Trump).
    2) Positions filled by H-1B visas are paid well below the market rate, and they are used to keep the market rate down.
    3) People don’t apply for H-1B visas, corporations get them, so if you are mistreated in the workplace you can’t take your H-1B visa and go elsewhere, you get deported. The chance of finding another employer with an open H-1B slot for you is effectively zero; partly because only a handful of companies hold all the slots, and partly because those companies collude on hiring/firing/salaries. That’s not r/conspiracy, that’s actual convictions from the dept. of labor against Microsoft, Apple, Google, Peoplesoft, Dell, et al.
    4) While the H-1B visa is allegedly a dual purpose visa (employment & immigration), immigration isn’t direct, it’s H-1B –> employer sponsored green card (PERM) –> naturalization, with a lot of time in between each step, and many H-1B’s aren’t eligible for a possible green card. And the entire time, the applicant has to stay perfectly perfect or the entire process is dead.
    5) H-1B employees have the shittiest of all worlds – they can’t speak up, they can’t use their feet, and most importantly of all, they are being taxed w/o representation, and no real way of fixing that. MAGA loves to quote selective slogans of the founding fathers, “no taxation w/o representation” is a frequent one, yet we have 85,000 people a year here in that exact scenario, and nobody speaks up.
    6) The greencard process for H-1B is the PERM application, here’s a link to the dept of labor’s stats for part of 2023 as an example: https://www.dol.gov/sites/dolgov/files/ETA/oflc/pdfs/PERM_Selected_Statistics_FY2023_Q2.pdf
    a) Look at the top five industries PERM applicants are in.
    b) Look at the layoffs over the last two years.
    c) Say with a straight face that the US employment market doesn’t have an absolute shit-ton of qualified people for those roles sitting unemployed right now, jumping through crazy hoops to be interviewed, and putting up with the worst RTO mandates in existence.
    d) RTO, btw, isn’t to improve collaboration/etc, it’s purely to get people to quit so they can rehire cheaper, offshore, or h-1b onshore. Those aren’t my words, those are the words of thew c-suite at Microsoft, Apple, Google, Peoplesoft, Dell, et al.
    7) The 85k H-1B visas (65k BA/BS, 20k MA/MS/PhD) require a degree, but from where? I work with a lot of excellent H-1B engineers on a daily basis, I also work with a lot of terrible H-1B engineers on a daily basis whose education consisted of watching a coding bootcamp video at most.

    I’m not anti-human, I’m anti-oligarch, and h-1b visas are a total load of crap on every level.

  • Geoff Arnold's avatar Geoff Arnold  On December 30, 2024 at 11:41 am

    The scandal of the H-1B system is how it’s being used, and by whom. Here are a couple of useful resources.

    From KQED:

    H1Bs are hard to get. There’s a lottery, and sometimes just one of every three or four applicants succeeds. If you do get one, you are then dependent on an employer for sponsorship. Companies have been sued for abusing this leverage, doing illegal things like forcing employees to pay thousands in visa fees, or making them sign bondage contracts so they cannot quit without paying a bunch of cash.

    And from Bloomberg (paywalled):

    Last year, 446,000 people sought H-1B visas. By law, only about 85,000 were available.

    Some of the lucky winners went to work directly for companies you know, such as Amazon, Intel or JPMorgan. Others went to very different kinds of firms.

    More than 11,600 visas went to multinational outsourcing companies, which can use their vast overseas workforces to flood the lottery with entries, crowding out others.

    Another 22,600 went to IT staffing firms. Bloomberg found evidence that many of them cheated on a massive scale by submitting multiple entries for the same worker.

    In all, nearly half the H-1Bs in Bloomberg’s analysis went to outsourcing or staffing companies.

    The outsize role of these firms has distorted the H-1B program, which Congress conceived as a way to help American businesses get access to the world’s top talent. Instead, outsourcing and staffing companies bring in applicants with less-remarkable resumes, paying them lower wages and heightening the risk of undercutting American labor. The result is a system that fails US workers, shortchanges the economy, stiff-arms talented immigrants and enriches a class of middlemen.

  • weeklysift's avatar weeklysift  On December 30, 2024 at 2:05 pm

    Thanks to the commenters above for giving the discussion considerably more detail than I had uncovered. My only personal experience with H-1Bs was a long time ago in research contexts, where the whole idea makes a lot more sense. Typically, there was a specific foreign researcher the department wanted, usually because s/he was already a collaborator with some current member of the department. Cheap labor wasn’t the point.

    I know a lot of young people with recent technical degrees who are having trouble getting their careers started. I think they would be able and willing to do a lot of the jobs companies are hiring Indians to do.

    • Kelly Schoenhofen's avatar Kelly Schoenhofen  On December 30, 2024 at 2:59 pm

      I know a lot of young people with recent technical degrees who are having trouble getting their careers started. I think they would be able and willing to do a lot of the jobs companies are hiring Indians to do.

      I don’t want to single out Indians, I don’t even want to single out Americans. This isn’t country v country, white vs non-white. This is a class war invented by the oligarches. You have to see this.

      I know a lot of young people with recent technical degrees who are having trouble getting their careers started. I think they would be able and willing to do a lot of the jobs companies are hiring Indians to do.

      I don’t have any data that shows the impact of H-1B affects new grads, or people in their early, mid, or late careers – H-1B visa are literally indentured servitude, and it affects all of us at all stages in our lives.

      I know a lot of young people with recent technical degrees who are having trouble getting their careers started. I think they would be able and willing to do a lot of the jobs companies are hiring Indians to do.

      You have it the opposite – corporations have legalized indentured servants to take away the jobs we were already doing.

      Nobody needs training, we already have it. H-1B visas aren’t for new jobs, new hires, they are to replace existing employees with cheaper bodies that can’t leave.

      • Kelly Schoenhofen's avatar Kelly Schoenhofen  On December 30, 2024 at 3:35 pm

        PS – this is getting into the weeds but you actually touched on it a little bit in your other post re: Musk/Tesla.

        Export Controlled, License Required, No License Required, ITAR, and EARS – if you know what those mean, then you know employees and contractors outside the US can’t handle these assets. But someone here on an H-1B visa can.

        Tesla was roughly #11 on the H-1B list last year, but that’s H-1B’s directly through Tesla – Infosys (#2), Cognizant (#3), Tata (#5), HCL (#9), IBM (#10) all provide contractor talent to Tesla (#11), Amazon (#1), Google (#4), Meta (#6), Microsoft (#7), Apple (#8), and the rest of the Fortune 500.

        You can’t get DoD/government contracts without sufficient EC/NLR/LR staff; these large corporations need the H-1B system if they want to artificially depress wages, instill a fear of authority, and keep the workplace hostile to the worker.

        In the immortal words of Dr. Ricken Lazlo Hale:

        “Your job needs you, not the other way around.”

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