My Way-Too-Soon Election Response

Tuesday was traumatic. How do we recover, as individuals and as a country?


There’s a lot for all of us to process here. About the outside world, the emotions roiling around inside, what we need to be preparing for, and so on. This post is a very quick and incomplete response.

One important thing I’ll say up front: This is a secure-your-own-mask-first situation. We’ve all been knocked off balance, and we need to get our balance back before we go charging out into the world. So do what you need to do and don’t feel guilty about it: gather friends around you, sit in a dark room alone, make art, play solitaire, binge on some silly TV show, whatever. Things are happening deep down, and we need to let those processes do their work. Whatever you decide to do next will benefit if you take care of yourself now.

Me. The hardest thing for me right now is re-envisioning my country. It’s been many years since I have seen America as a “city upon a hill” or the “last best hope of Earth“. But still, I’ve gone on believing that the great majority of Americans aspire to be better and do better. A lot of my commitment to writing has come from my belief that if I work to understand things and explain them clearly, then other people will understand those things too, and most of them will do the right thing, or at least do better than they otherwise would have.

This election demonstrates how naive that belief is. Some Americans were fooled by Trump’s lies about the economy or crime or history or whatever, but many weren’t. They saw exactly what Trump is, and they chose him. Many of the people who believed him weren’t fooled into doing it. They chose to believe, because his lies justified something they wanted to do.

Oddly, though, I am continuing to write, as you can see.

I am reminded of a Zen story: A man meditated in a cave for twenty years, believing that if he could achieve enlightenment, he would rise to a higher state of being and attain mystical powers. One day a great teacher passed through a nearby village, so the man left his cave to seek the sage’s advice. “I wish you had asked me sooner,” the great teacher said sadly, “because there is no higher state of being. There are no mystical powers.”

Crestfallen, the man sat down in the dust and remained there for some while after the sage had continued on his way. As the sun went down, he got up and went back to his cave. Not knowing what else to do with himself, he began his evening meditations. And then he became enlightened.

So far, no enlightenment. But I’ll let you know.

Something similar happens in Elie Wiesel’s recounting of a trial of God he witnessed as a boy in a Nazi concentration camp. (I haven’t recently read either his account or the play it inspired, so I might not have the story exactly right.) After a lengthy and spirited argument, this makeshift Jewish court finds God guilty of violating his covenant and forsaking the Jewish people. And then they move on to their evening prayers.

Election night. Despite everything I’ve said in this blog about avoiding speculation and being prepared for whatever happens, by Election Day I had become fairly optimistic. That all went south very quickly.

I had made myself a list of early indicators, beginning with how Trump Media stock performed that day. (It was way up, a bad sign.) Next came how easily Trump carried Florida. (It was called almost immediately, another bad sign.) Things just got worse from there. I briefly held out some hope for the Blue Wall states (Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania) until early reports showed Harris underperforming Biden’s 2020 results (when Biden just barely won those states). So I was in bed by 11 and never got up in the night to see if some amazing comeback had started.

I had expected to be deeply depressed if Harris lost, but in fact I haven’t been. I’m disappointed, but I’ve been oddly serene.

No doubt part of my serenity is ignoble. Due to a variety of privileges — I’m White, male, heterosexual, cis, English-speaking, native-born, Christian enough to fake it, and financially secure — I am not in MAGA’s direct line of fire. So whatever trouble I get into will probably come from risks I choose to take rather than brownshirts pounding on my door. Many people are not in my situation, and I am not going to tell them they should be serene.

But there’s also another factor — I hope a larger factor — in how I feel, and I had to search my quote file until I found something that expressed it. In Cry, the Beloved Country Alan Paton wrote:

Sorrow is better than fear. Fear is a journey, a terrible journey, but sorrow is at least an arrival. When the storm threatens, a man is afraid for his house. But when the house is destroyed, there is something to do. About a storm he can do nothing, but he can rebuild a house.

It’s not a perfect metaphor, because we could in fact vote or contribute or volunteer to influence the election. But the scale of the election dwarfed individual action. The closer it got, the more it seemed like a storm. In spite of my propensity to latch onto hopeful signs, in the days and months leading up to the election, I was filled with a very painful dread.

That dread is gone. The hammer has fallen. My faith in the American people was misplaced, so I can now get on with reconstructing that important piece of my worldview.

What happened. As always, we should start with the undeniable facts before making a case for this or that interpretation.

Trump won. He carried the Electoral College 312-226, and also won the popular vote by around 3 1/2 million votes, which is not quite the margin that Obama had over Romney (5 million), and well below the margin Biden had over Trump (7 million) or Obama had over McCain (9 1/2 million).

So it was not a historic landslide, but it was a clear win. Trump had appeared to be ready to try to steal the election if he didn’t win it, but that turned out not to be necessary. Coincidentally, all online talk of “voter fraud” evaporated as it became clear Trump was winning legitimately. The whole point of the GOP’s “election integrity” issue was to provide an excuse not to certify a Harris victory. But with Trump winning, fraud was no longer a concern.

Republicans also won the Senate. Ted Cruz and Rick Scott retained their seats, and no seats flipped from Republicans to Democrats. Democrats lost Joe Manchin’s West Virginia seat, something everyone expected as soon as Manchin announced he wouldn’t run. In addition, Democratic incumbents Sherrod Brown in Ohio, Bob Casey in Pennsylvania, and Jon Tester in Montana were defeated. The new Senate looks to have a 53-47 Republican majority. (Casey is still holding out hope that uncounted provisional ballots will overcome McCormick’s lead. But few think that’s likely.)

The final result in the House is taking longer to emerge, but Republicans look likely to retain their majority there as well.

How did it happen? At the simplest level, it happened because too many people voted for Trump and not enough for Harris. Because the US has secret ballots, there’s no way to know for sure who those people were. But we do have exit polls.

It’s important to phrase things correctly here, because it’s way too easy to scapegoat groups of people unfairly. For example, you’ll hear that Trump won because of the Latino vote (which is true in a sense that we’ll get in a minute). But if you look at the news-consortium exit poll, Harris won the Hispanic/Latino vote 52%-46%, while Trump won the White Evangelical/Born-Again vote 82%-17%. So if you’re looking for someone to blame, look at Evangelicals, not Latinos.

However, most analysts are using the 2020 election as a baseline: Harris lost because she didn’t do as well as Biden did in 2020. And that brings a second exit poll into the conversation. Biden won the Hispanic/Latino vote 65%-32% in 2020, and lost the White Evangelical/Born-Again vote 24%-76%. So if you’re looking for Democratic slippage from 2020 to 2024, you’ll find it in both groups, but the Hispanic/Latino vote stands out; the Democratic margin among Latinos dropped from 33% to 6%.

The Latino vote also stands out because it’s puzzling, at least to non-Latinos like me. Trump ran largely on hostility to non-White immigrants and a promise to deport millions of people, many of whom are Latino. Again, it’s important to nuance this correctly: Latino voters are citizensnon-citizen voting was one of Trump’s lies — and Trump’s prospective deportees are not. Many Latino voters are solidly middle class, speak English with an accent that is more regional than foreign-born, and are well along the immigrant path traveled in the 20th century by Italians and Greeks. It shouldn’t be surprising, then, that as Latinos assimilate into America, they begin to vote more and more like other Americans. After all, Polish Americans may still value their Polish heritage, but they typically don’t base their votes on an agenda of Polish issues.

Still, I have a hard time believing that MAGA racism will respect legal, social, or economic boundaries. Puerto Ricans have been citizens since 1917, and they are still fair game for racist insults. Native Americans are sometimes told to “Go back where you came from”, which is probably Siberia many thousands of years ago. When the racial profiling starts, your skin color and family name may matter more than your legal status. Also, I would suspect that Latino citizens are much more likely than Anglos to know somebody at risk of deportation. I don’t understand why that wasn’t a bigger consideration.

The other example of surprising slippage is women. Biden won the female vote 57%-42%, and Harris won it 53%-45%. This, in spite of not just Harris’ gender, but Trump’s responsibility for the Dobbs decision, a jury affirming that he sexually assaulted E. Jean Carroll, and a series of creepy anti-woman statements.

There was also slippage — not much, but some — among Blacks. Biden won the Black vote 87%-12%, while Harris won it 85%-13%. Harris actually improved slightly on Biden’s performance among Black women (91% to 90%), but did worse among Black men (77% to 79%). (I assume that round-off errors account for the math anomaly in those numbers.)

Meanwhile, the White vote barely changed: Harris and Biden each got 41%.

Finally, there’s turnout. Total voter turnout was 65% in 2024 compared to 67% in 2020. However, by American historical standards 65% is high, not low. You have to go back to 1908 (66%) to find another election with turnout this high. The 2020 adjustments to the Covid pandemic made it easier to vote then than at any other time in US history. So it’s unfair to fault the Harris campaign for not matching that turnout.

Why did it happen? I want to urge caution here. After any political disaster, you’ll hear a bunch of voices saying basically the same thing: “This proves I was right all along” or “This wouldn’t have happened if only people had listened to me.”

So Bernie Sanders thinks this election proved Democrats need a more progressive agenda to win back the working class. Joe Manchin says Democrats ignored “the power of the middle”, which implies the party should move right, not left. Others blame the liberal cultural agenda — trans rights, Latinx-like language, defund the police — for turning off working-class voters. Or maybe Harris’ outreach to Nikki Haley conservatives wasn’t convincing enough, and the problem was all the progressive positions she espoused in her 2020 campaign. Josh Barro suggests the problem is that blue states and cities are not being governed well.

The gap between Democrats’ promise of better living through better government and their failure to actually deliver better government has been a national political problem. So when Republicans made a pitch for change from all this (or even burn-it-all-down), it didn’t fall flat.

Basically, whatever you believe, you can find somebody telling you that you are right, and Harris would have won if she had done what you wanted.

I want to encourage you to resist that message — and I’m going to try to resist it myself — because none of us will learn anything if we just insist we’ve been right from Day 1. We should all bear in mind that the US is a very big, very diverse country, and (whoever you are) most voters are not like you. It’s easy for me to imagine positions or messages or candidates that would have made me more enthusiastic about voting Democratic. But we need to be looking for an approach that inspires a broader coalition than showed up for Harris last week. That coalition is going to have to include people you don’t understand, the way I don’t understand the Latinos who voted for mass deportation, the women who voted to give away their own rights, or the young people who voted to make climate change worse.

This is exactly the wrong time for I-was-right-all-along thinking. Back in 1973, Eric Hoffer wrote:

In a time of drastic change it is the learners who inherit the future. The learned usually find themselves equipped to live in a world that no longer exists.

So much of what passes for “obvious” or “common sense” right now only sounds that way because it is well grounded in a worldview that no longer applies. This is a truth that is easy to see in other people, but hard to see in ourselves.

We’re going to be in a weird position for the foreseeable future: Trump is going to try to run over a lot of legal, cultural, and political boundaries, and we need to be prepared to resist. It would be great to be able to resist from a place of rock-solid certainty. But if we’re going to turn this around in the long term, we also need to be humble and flexible in our thinking. Fairly often, we’re going to have to think thoughts like: “I don’t really don’t understand a lot of what’s happening, but I’m pretty sure I need to put my body here.”

Explanations we can eliminate. You don’t have to have the right explanation to recognize wrong ones.

Harris ran a bad campaign. Josh Marshall puts his finger on the statistic that debunks this.

In the seven swing states, the swing to Trump from 2020 to 2024 was 3.1 percentage points. In the other 43 states and Washington, DC the swing was 6.7 points.

Both candidates focused their ads, their messaging, and their personal appearances on the swing states. If the Trump campaign had been running rings around the Harris campaign, this arrow would have pointed in the other direction. In short: If you were a 2020 Biden voter, the more you saw of Harris and Trump, the more likely you were to vote for Harris.

I live in a typically liberal Boston suburb. Massachusetts is about as far from a swing state as you can get, so no national figures ever showed up here. Occasionally we’d see some ads aimed at New Hampshire, but we didn’t get nearly the blitz that Pennsylvanians got. And guess what? Harris slipped behind Biden’s performance here too.

Harris should have picked Josh Shapiro as her VP. This would be a good argument if Harris had won the national popular vote, but failed in the Electoral College because she lost Pennsylvania. But she also lost Wisconsin, where Walz probably helped her.

Also, Harris won the Jewish vote by a wide margin: 78%-22%. So Shapiro’s Judaism probably wouldn’t have helped the ticket.

Harris should have moved further left. We can never say what would have happened if a candidate had delivered a completely different message from the beginning. But I think it’s pretty clear that simply shifting left down the stretch, i.e., emphasizing the more liberal parts of Harris’ message and record, wouldn’t have helped.

The best evidence here comes from comparing Harris to Democratic Senate candidates. Candidates who are perceived as more liberal, like Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren, generally did slightly worse than Harris in their states, while candidates perceived as more conservative (Tim Kaine and Bob Casey, say) did somewhat better.

I’m ignoring a bunch of the Senate races because I don’t see much to be gleaned from them. Jon Tester ran to Harris’ right in Montana and did 7% better, but Harris was never going to be conservative enough to win Montana — and as it turned out, Tester wasn’t either. Maryland’s Angela Alsobrooks ran almost 8% behind Harris (and won anyway), but that’s more a reflection on her opponent, former governor Larry Hogan, one of the few non-MAGA Republican candidates. (It suggests that a moderate Republican could have won a landslide on the scale of Nixon in 1972 or LBJ in 1964.)

If you saw much election advertising, you know that Republicans worked hard to paint Harris as part of the “radical left”. I don’t think they’d have done that if they thought moving left would help her.

Things I think I know. I don’t have a sweeping theory, but I’ll offer a few tentative pieces of a theory.

We lost the information war. The aspect of this campaign I found most personally frustrating was how much of the pro-Trump argument centered on things that simply aren’t true. Our cities are not hellholes. There is no migrant crime wave. Crime in general is not rising. Most of the countries that compete with us would love to have our economy. Inflation is just about beaten. America was far from “great” when Trump left office in 2021. Trump has no magic plan for peace in Ukraine and Gaza. The justice system has favored Trump, not persecuted him.

Jess Piper writes:

I hate to say this, but it’s true: Ignorance won. And it will keep winning until we realize that we can’t win by playing politics as usual. This isn’t the same world. Knocking 100 doors is a personal connection that might win a small race — I don’t know that it can change the larger races. Trump’s folks weren’t knocking doors. They were lying to the masses through an extreme right-wing reality that most of us can’t conceive.

And Michael Tomasky elaborates:

This is the year in which it became obvious that the right-wing media has more power than the mainstream media. It’s not just that it’s bigger. It’s that it speaks with one voice, and that voice says Democrats and liberals are treasonous elitists who hate you, and Republicans and conservatives love God and country and are your last line of defense against your son coming home from school your daughter. And that is why Donald Trump won.

It’s hard to know how important the pervasive misperception of facts really was. Did people believe Trump’s nonsense because it was actually convincing? Or did they want to support Trump for some other reason and latched onto whatever pro-Trump “facts” they could find? (Birtherism was like that. People who didn’t want to admit that a Black president scared or angered them instead claimed to be convinced that Obama was born in Kenya, despite clear evidence to the contrary.)

Past presidential campaigns have included some misinformation, but they revolved much more around philosophical disagreements not easily reduced to facts, like the significance of the national debt, or how to balance the public and private sectors.

One of the big questions going forward is whether Democrats want to continue being the reality-based party. I hope we do, just for the sake of my conscience. But if so, how do we make that work in the current information environment?

Harris had a steep hill to climb. Around the world, countries went through a period of inflation as their economies reopened after the pandemic. And around the world, the governments in power got thrown out. Here’s how Matt Yglesias put it just before the election:

The presumption is that Kamala Harris is — or at least might be — blowing it, either by being too liberal or too centrist, too welcoming of the Liz Cheneys of the world or not welcoming enough or that there is something fundamentally off-kilter about the American electorate or American society.

Consider, though, that on Oct. 27, Japan’s long-ruling conservative Liberal Democratic Party suffered one of its worst electoral results. In late September, Austria’s center-right People’s Party saw an 11-percentage-point decline in vote share and lost 20 of its 71 seats in Parliament. Over the summer, after being in power for 14 years, Britain’s Conservative Party collapsed in a landslide defeat, and France’s ruling centrist alliance lost over a third of its parliamentary seats.

… It is not a left-right thing. Examples show that each country has unique circumstances. Center-left governments from Sweden to Finland to New Zealand have lost, but so have center-right governments in Australia and Belgium. This year the center-left governing coalition in Portugal got tossed out. Last year the People’s Party for Freedom and Democracy, the incumbent center-right governing party in the Netherlands, finished third in an election dominated by far-right parties.

Not long after Yglesias wrote that, Germany’s governing coalition collapsed.

I’m reluctant to give this explanation too much credit, because it says this election was a one-off and there’s nothing really to learn, other than to avoid being in power at the end of a pandemic. So in that sense it’s too easy. But it’s also a real thing that is an important part of the picture.

Harris’ outreach to Republican women came up empty. I’m not going to say it was a bad idea, but it didn’t work. I haven’t seen an exit poll that specifically breaks out Republican women, but the overall slippage among women in general makes it unlikely that many Liz Cheney Republicans crossed over.

After Trump’s 2016 win, big-city journalists trying to figure out Trump voters made countless trips to small-town diners. This time, I’d like to see them hang out in upscale suburban coffee shops and talk to women in business suits. Why did so many of them stay loyal to their party’s anti-woman candidate?

Democrats need a utopian vision. If Democrats had complete control and could remake America however we wanted, what would that look like? I honestly don’t know.

It’s not like Democrats don’t stand for anything. I can list a bunch of things an unconstrained Democratic administration would do, like make sure everyone gets the health care they need, raise taxes on billionaires, ban assault weapons, cut fossil fuel emissions, and make states out of D. C. and Puerto Rico. Maybe it would also reform the food system and break up the tech monopolies, though the details on those two are fuzzy.

But a list of policies doesn’t add up to a vision.

Whatever you think of it, libertarianism provided pre-MAGA conservatives with a utopian vision for decades. Republicans didn’t usually run on an explicitly libertarian platform, but libertarian rhetoric and libertarian philosophy was always in the background. (Reagan in his first inaugural address: “Government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.”) Trump mostly turned away from that, and slogans like “America First” and “Make America Great Again” may be vague, but they also evoke something sweeping.

I can’t think of anything comparable on the left. The communist vision collapsed with the Soviet Union, and I don’t know anybody who wants to revive it. But in the absence of a political vision, we’re left with a technocracy: Do what the experts think will work best.

This is a problem a new face won’t solve. Gavin Newsom or Gretchen Whitmer or even AOC is not a vision.

What happens next? It’s Trump’s move. We don’t know yet who he’s going to appoint to high office or what the agenda of the new Congress will be. Establishing authoritarian government is work, and he may not have the energy for it. Maybe he’ll get so distracted by seeking his revenge against individuals that he won’t get around to systematically destroying democracy. We’ll see.

I’m reminded of a story Ursula le Guin told decades ago, repeating something from another woman’s novel: A female character discovers her baby eating a manuscript.

The damage was not, in fact, as great as it appeared at first sight to be, for babies, though persistent, are not thorough.

Trump has many babyish traits. We can hope that he won’t be thorough enough to do as much damage as we now fear.

This Adam Gurri article is full of good advice, but I especially appreciate this:

The biggest weakness of The Women’s March was its lack of strategic objective or timing. It simply demonstrated mass dissatisfaction with the Trump administration the day after it began. The best use of mass protest is in response to something specific. It does not even need to be an action, it can be as simple as some specific thing that Trump or a member of his administration says. But it has to have some substance, some specific area of concern. Perhaps it is about prosecuting his enemies. Perhaps it is about mass deportations. No one doubts there will be a steady supply of choices to latch onto. Those seeking to mobilize protests need to make sure they do pick something specific to latch onto, and be disciplined in making opposition to it the loudest rhetoric of the protest.

This time around, I don’t expect protesting against Trump himself to get very far. His followers expect it; they will just roll their eyes and talk about “Trump Derangement Syndrome”. But protesting something Trump does will at least draw attention to that thing. We have to wait for him to do something objectionable. Unfortunately, it probably won’t be a long wait.

In the meantime, prepare. Take care of yourself. Regain your balance.

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Comments

  • Unknown's avatar Anonymous  On November 11, 2024 at 9:26 am

    Why is it so hard for you to admit you all were totally out of touch and wrong and your Biden – Harris horrible leadership for 4 years and Harris no plan for changing this horror.

    Open border crime gangs criminals rapes children sold bought raped enslaved hurting citizens

    Green pipe dream exporting jobs to enemies

    withdrawal from Afghanistan and lawfare against Trump all UN American actions

    • Unknown's avatar Anonymous  On November 11, 2024 at 9:56 am

      Thank you information write commenting

      Vote amount change? Wrong thing

      Use full and help full and not coherent like stupid l;aser but run on like beautiful butterfly, running

    • Unknown's avatar Anonymous  On November 13, 2024 at 5:33 am

      From William F. Buckley, Jr. to this.

      Perhaps it’s time to give those who advocate for minimum standards to be granted the franchise another listen.

      Seriously. After all, we require those who wish to operate a motor vehicle to demonstrate they’re competent enough to do so, and to require re-examination and renewal regularly.

      And, as we’re already requiring proof of eligibility vote via ID, this will serve that purpose, too.

      Before granting American citizenship to those wishing to declare themselves part of our nation, we require they pass a test to make sure they are knowledgeable about our country, its history, and its civics. Given the consequences on everyone a person’s vote can have, potential voters should have to do the same.

      This won’t solve all the problems the abject ignorance and susceptibility to lies and propaganda a non-trivial portion of our body politic suffers from, but it would be one solution to those who treat this political privilege and responsibility so carelessly.

      • pauljbradford's avatar pauljbradford  On November 14, 2024 at 5:52 am

        American states already tried requiring voters to prove “they’re competent enough to do so”. The ruling party rigged the standard so their voters passed and the opposition’s voters failed.

    • ATCoffey's avatar ATCoffey  On November 15, 2024 at 8:02 pm

      You’re just proving the man’s observation about right-wing media lies and misinformation. None of what you said was anywhere near true and yet you spout it with unmerited confidence because you heard it on FOX or from the Donald or one of his surrogates. But I guess you do you? 🤷🏼‍♂️

  • Unknown's avatar Anonymous  On November 11, 2024 at 9:34 am

    I recommend you read the George Lakey book How We Win, which makes an excellent point about effective protest: Lakey says that the best protest movements reveal the truth of the underlying injustice. In the Civil Rights Movement, lunch counter sit-ins revealed the truth that Black people did not in fact feel satisfied with segregation, and that segregation had to be enforced with violence.

  • painedumonde's avatar painedumonde  On November 11, 2024 at 9:56 am

    IMO, it’s myth. We believe the stories we tell ourselves. Like the arc of history bends towards justice, or deep down we care for others, or the parties stand for very different things. History does show a bent towards justice – a justice that is defined by the people, not some academic version. We do care for others, the ones next to us and maybe the tribe, but have different hair color, or clothing, or even that accent you mentioned, be wary. And finally the parties, yes the Democratic party is more open than the Republican, but man oh man does that leadership love its donors and I’m not talking about Grandma’s twenty bucks.

    Some introspection needs to happen. You talked about a grand vision, well this party isn’t your Grandpa’s Democratic party any more. It still has great positions but imo it’s been co-opted by Big Business. An organic populism needs to happen again, workers, unions, immigrants, women, minorities need to rise up against what has always separated us – Capital. Instead we get in bed with it.

    Just an opinion.

  • Unknown's avatar Anonymous  On November 11, 2024 at 10:01 am

    I heard Heather McGhee on Chris Hayes’ show on Friday night say that most liberal media is behind a paywall. I don’t know how Fox News works because I don’t watch it. Is it also behind a paywall?

    Someone (can’t recall if it was McGhee or someone else) pointed out that the Harris campaign raised over a billion dollars, and how that could go a long way toward building a media structure to compete with the right-wing media empire.

    And, your point about a vision is particularly important, to my mind. There isn’t a clear one from Dems other than “better.”

    Robert Reich has a good article today about Bernie & Trump, and how offended so many Americans are with “crony capitalism.”

  • HAT's avatar HAT  On November 11, 2024 at 10:26 am

    Although “the plural of ‘anecdote’ is not ‘data,'” this was interesting to me: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/nov/05/election-swing-state-voters-harris-trump; also, I’ve been sharing this: https://wagingnonviolence.org/2024/11/10-things-to-do-if-trump-wins/

  • Unknown's avatar Anonymous  On November 11, 2024 at 10:53 am

    Mr Muder,

    I am surprised that you have not considered the voter purges that have been taking place since the 2020 election. Besides your blog, I am a big fan of the work by Tom Hartman.

    Please review the following

    https://substack.com/redirect/9fb88c05-8e9d-4f3b-81b2-a58373189603?j=eyJ1IjoiM3J0MXNoIn0._UZSCtforz36ZaMrl6daqyokqwsnfLv9FPZf-0cIU-U

    dbdean@gmx.com

  • Unknown's avatar Anonymous  On November 11, 2024 at 11:22 am

    Part of the reason Harris lost is sexism. Women get judged more harshly than men. Women are assumed to be less competent, less smart – until they prove otherwise.

    • Unknown's avatar Anonymous  On November 12, 2024 at 1:25 pm

      Your hypothesis overlooks the reality that women constitute a majority of voters. So if sexism defeated Harris, women’s sexism made it so. As a lifelong proponent of the Equal Rights Amendment, I perceive a majority of women as repeatedly supporting politicians who oppose the ERA, especially in this election. Are they less smart, less competent, or are they sexists?

      • pauljbradford's avatar pauljbradford  On November 14, 2024 at 5:57 am

        Yes, women’s sexism is part of the problem. Some percentage of women won’t vote for a woman for president.

      • Unknown's avatar Anonymous  On November 14, 2024 at 1:47 pm

        Sexism is pervasive, and often unconscious. Anyone is susceptible. It would be a mistake to explicitly blame women for Harris’ loss, because the problem is pervasive, and often unconscious.

  • Anonymous Poster's avatar Anonymous Poster  On November 11, 2024 at 12:01 pm

    In regards to the “utopian vision” section: Republicans kind of beat Democrats here, too. Project 2025 is the Republican vision of utopia; more that being a list of policies, it also expressed a philosophy of society and governance that has fueled GOP efforts even as figureheads such as Trump sought to distance himself from it prior to the election. The Democrats need better messaging, and it could absolutely start with party leaders making a Project 2025-esque document that lays out a future envisioned by Democrats, including the philosophies behind the policies they want to enact on the road to that future.

  • Marshall's avatar Marshall  On November 11, 2024 at 12:03 pm

    In 2020 Joe Biden got 81 million votes to Donald Trump’s 74 million. In 2024 Donald Trump got 74 million votes to Kamala Harris’ 71 million. All those shifts that people keep pointing to as how Donald Trump won seem kinda pointless to suss out when what we really need to ask is where did those 10 million people go?

    • Unknown's avatar Anonymous  On November 11, 2024 at 12:42 pm

      Those numbers are just wrong – they are from before all votes are counted. Any take based on partial numbers is discountable.

      • Unknown's avatar Anonymous  On November 12, 2024 at 10:48 am

        @Anonymous at 12:42

        Do you have a link to more complete numbers?

  • Unknown's avatar Anonymous  On November 11, 2024 at 12:30 pm

    In my view Trump is a unique, extraordinary political figure. Please, before the negativity starts, I do not believe this in a positive sense. Hitler was also unique and extraordinary. But I have never seen a politician who has been able to survive the scandals, gaffs, indictments and convictions that Trump has. Perhaps his followers (and now that would be more than half the electorate) are so invested in the myth of the superhero on the white horse charging up Pennsylvania Avenue and “fixing everything” that nothing he does or says matters? Or is he an empty vessel that that serves as a repository for all of our secret and not so secret bias’, resentments, fears and hates? Will MAGA survive Trump? I think not, but I would not recommend the status quo for Democrats. I don’t know which way they should go, left, right, pragmatic, inspirational but I am pretty sure they will spend millions of dollars on political consultants to find out. Maybe the good news is that Trump unless he suspends the Constitution has appeared on the ballot for the last time and there is unlikely to be another such figure on the political scene for generations. At least that is what I tell myself every night just before I fall asleep.

    • Unknown's avatar Anonymous  On November 12, 2024 at 1:54 am

      Trump has benefitted from the full support of the rightwing influence machine to the point where it didn’t matter what he did; the cult members are convinced of his greatness, robbed of reason, and unaware of or trained to deflect any negatives or contradictions. He would not have succeeded without that operation promoting him and relentlessly denigrating Democrats.

      • Unknown's avatar Anonymous  On November 12, 2024 at 1:53 pm

        Actually the main stream media’s influence with swing voters was Trump’s greatest benefactor. The repeated analysis of his lies to prove he was a liar built up his infantile remarks such that the glorification of ignorance became the subject. It is not news when an established serial liar continues to lie.

        Conmen know bad publicity is as good as good publicity to perpetuate the con game. Apparently the educated elite of journalism would rather get clicks and make money as they play the shill in Trump’s 3 shell congame rather than examine how journalism suckers people into believing there is a bean of truth under one of Trump’s shell lies.

  • Guardians of the West Fork's avatar Guardians of the West Fork  On November 11, 2024 at 1:26 pm

    Doug, please remove this, as it was mistakenly posted under an organizational account.

  • Unknown's avatar Anonymous  On November 11, 2024 at 2:08 pm

    Fox News revenue is summarized at https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/fox-reports-first-quarter-fiscal-2025-revenues-of-3-56-billion-net-income-of-832-million-and-adjusted-ebitda-of-1-05-billion-302295318.html

    It’s somewhat more cable revenue than advertising.

  • Unknown's avatar Anonymous  On November 11, 2024 at 2:57 pm

    To be honest, I think there’s a lesson I feel comfortable “learning” already: I don’t think those Liz Cheney Republicans ever existed. I think the “tack to the right” strategy (to be distinguished from just being a conservative Democrat) has always been idealistic, and this election showed us the limits of that idealistic vision of a Democrat who wins by courting Republicans, who wins by persuading the Republican base. Or, more cynically, it represents an attempt by a certain class of Democrats to win elections without locking themselves into promises they won’t want to have to keep. This is the Chris Murphy observation—that the Democrats have long relied on a wealthy but narrow base, tot he detriment of the other members of their (our) coalition.

    For that reason, I think the way forward is for Democrats to figure out *a* message, and stick with it. Personally, I think the best message we can work with is one that maximally distinguishes us from the Republicans, and I think economic populism is our best bet there because I don’t see any other direction where we can reliably and honestly out-pace the Republicans without further wrecking our existing coalition. Also, for what it’s worth, in every election I’ve been able to vote in (starting in 2008) the winner was the person who appeared more economically-populist—yes, this includes Trump’s “bringing back the jobs” and his tariffs, as silly as they will be in practice. But I think the number one lesson I’d take from this election is not to tack. Find a message that works and that you can ride for the whole fucking cycle.

    Also, I have to question: how do you not see that folks like AOC and Sanders have been *trying* to foster a utopian vision for the party, which the party has rejected on multiple occasions? I remember in 2020 you admitted you were rooting against Sanders, and you wrote about the party’s coalescing around Biden with a lot of sympathy. I’m not exactly trying to accuse you of anything, but would it be worthwhile for you to add more outright left sources to your media diet, as distinct from Democratic sources? Try watching some Hasan Piker, or some Majority Report, and see how they try to talk about a left political vision. Or if you do and disagree that what they are offering is sufficient, maybe take the time to address it?

    -RainDogEsq, previously Azetheros, just don’t want to make another login.

  • Unknown's avatar Anonymous  On November 11, 2024 at 3:20 pm

    “But still, I’ve gone on believing that the great majority of Americans aspire to be better and do better.”

    I think they aspire to DO better. I’m not sure they give a fig about BEING better.

    • Unknown's avatar Anonymous  On November 11, 2024 at 4:19 pm

      I’d say, rather, that they fundamentally disagree about what “better” means. Their vision of being and doing “good” is fundamentally different, and I suspect much narrower. That’s why peeling them is so hard—they aren’t liberals in their hearts, and the “better angels of their nature” we keep trying to reach are fundamentally different from ours.

      -RainDogEsq

      • Unknown's avatar Anonymous  On November 11, 2024 at 10:12 pm

        I think core values take primacy over any critical thinking when decision making. And I also think most people core values can be rationalized, situational and shifting,…if existent at all.

        Criminality vs lawfulness…hey what’s a little criminal activity anyway,…..everyone does it. Deceit/lies vs honesty/ facts….hey, everybody lies, no big deal.
        Fighting/ no compromising vs cooperation/compromise…hey fighting is the way you get things done. (Vs working hard)
        Intolerance /fear vs tolerance/courage….you have to be afraid of the other.

        The republicans have irrefutably proven that style trumps substance..(ugh..pun not intended)

        The Dems need to read the room, cultivate and articulate a style that’s equally outspoken and find a personality that can deliver their message as an “outsider”…because most people don’t like or trust government.

        Speaking of messaging, current MSM is in fact right wing media. Top 4 TV “News programs” (by viewership) are all FOX. In fact, 13 of the top 20 are all FOX.
        When’ s the last time you dialed into any “TalkRadio” station, Am or FM?…..they’re virtually all right wing.
        Then there’s the internet and blogosphere/Rogan sphere.. The country is saturated with this fire hose of right wing media…The Dems need an equivalent quantity and volume of voices if they hope to sway the masses.
        I fear Plato was right.

  • Unknown's avatar Anonymous  On November 11, 2024 at 11:42 pm

    Thank you this thoughtful and honest piece, Doug. Here’s an article worth thinking about: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/nov/09/trump-victory-explanation-scrutiny?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

  • Alpha 1's avatar Alpha 1  On November 12, 2024 at 1:10 pm

    Hegel remarks somewhere that all great world-historic facts and personages appear, so to speak, twice. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second time as farce. Harris for Clinton, Biden for Obama, the Neocons of 2024 for the Never Trumpers of 2016, Donald Trump for still Donald Trump. And the same caricature occurs in the circumstances of the second edition of the 2016 US Presidential Election.

  • wcroth55's avatar wcroth55  On November 12, 2024 at 3:14 pm

    FWIW, Rep Elissa Slotkin (D-MI) ran for the MI senate seat and won… by 0.3%. That’s a squeaker… but it means that 4% of Trump voters in Michigan split their ticket and voted for her.

    Ms. Slotkin is perceived as a centrist, but with a strong history on controlling medical costs, and economic development. (Her most effective attack ad pointed out her opponent had voted AGAINST federal negotiation of prices with drug companies many, many times.)

    That’s a clue, going forward.

  • ADeweyan's avatar ADeweyan  On November 12, 2024 at 4:21 pm

    One report I saw suggested that about half of the folks who voted for Trump cited inflation as their reasoning. This is showing the effect of the manipulated MSM along with Trump’s constant hammering on the issue. Of course, anyone who thinks Trump has a policy to “fix” inflation (stated in full: “I will fix inflation”), is wildly naive. Meanwhile one of the actual policies that Trump has actually spoken about a lot on the campaign trail and that he might actually do (dramatic increase in tariffs) would actually lead to much higher inflation. Actually.

    At the same time, the problem of “inflation” has already been fixed by a nearly miraculous Biden Administration. Trump will take credit for it, and most of the US will believe him. What the voters are really after is deflation, which normally only happens in very, very bad economic times. Shoot. Maybe Trump has a viable plan for that after all.

  • marganaseidolem's avatar marganaseidolem  On November 13, 2024 at 4:10 am

    I have a suspicion that the Democrats may have dodged a bullet here. There are a couple of convergent technologies – robotics and AI – that are set to wreak havoc over the next few years, by enabling companies to jettison huge numbers of employees, in occupations across the board.

    The result is likely (IMHO) to produce increasing numbers of public protests demanding that the government “do something” to stem the tide of job losses, and at the same time improve the financial support (UI or welfare support) to address the increasing numbers being forced onto the streets through no fault of their own.

    An authoritarian regime – such as the one we are expecting – will respond to such cries for help with brutal violence and oppression. This should play into the hands of Democrats around the time of mid-terms. Time will tell. It’s atrocious that so many will probably have to lose their lives as a result of this year’s vote to put such a regime in a position of power.

    If Democrats had won, they would almost certainly have been compelled to introduce a Universal Basic Income along with Single Payer Healthcare, as their response to those cries for help (although you would be sure that the Right would have fought those solutions tooth and nail). Perhaps after the MAGA movement withers and dies.

    “You can fool some of the people all of the time” now has a qualifier (quantifier?) for the “some”: it’s about one in three of the American electorate. Whether that proportion will change dramatically with Trump’s (more likely Vance’s) inevitable action in response to the impending massive unemployment is probably anyone’s guess.

    (Always remembering that Musk is going to be one of the driving forces behind that layoff carnage. He may be Golden Boy now but pretty soon tarnish is going to set in when it becomes clear that he is part of the problem, not the solution).

    I wish I was wrong about this, but I don’t think I am. We will see.

  • Unknown's avatar Anonymous  On November 13, 2024 at 1:43 pm

    T%#* may very well not have the energy to do as much damage as we imagine. On the other hand being in poor health it’s possible he will not live out his term in which case Vance will likely have both the energy and inclination to do far more damage.

  • Unknown's avatar Anonymous  On November 14, 2024 at 5:23 pm

    Thanks for this and all of your other blogs. I just thought that you might like to know that I have quoted from and linked to this blog as part of a care package I have put together over on my Substack:

    https://open.substack.com/pub/dangerousmeredith/p/some-inspiring-provocations?r=g1ykm&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&showWelcomeOnShare=true

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