The Biden Situation

Last week, I covered the Biden debate fiasco and discussed what the next steps should be. The gist of what I said was that as an aging person myself (67) and having watched a number of other people age, what I saw in Biden — stumbling over words, not remembering names, and getting unfocused when he’s sick or tired — did not necessarily bother me all that much. Those symptoms seemed (to me, at least) unrelated to dementia or more worrisome problems of aging.

But other people, I pointed out, are in a position to see much more, and we should pay attention to what they have to say. As of last week, they weren’t saying much, and those who were talking were standing by Biden.

This week, though, some of the reports I wasn’t seeing last week started to come in. Some elected Democrats — though none of the heavyweights (Jeffries, Schumer, Pelosi, Obama …) — called on Biden to withdraw from the race. And reports from insiders started to leak, saying that the symptoms we saw during the debate have happened often in the past. (Though they’re not reporting anything worse than we saw in the debate, and they’re not telling me what I really want to know: When Biden loses focus, how long does it take him to snap back? Does a five-minute break and a cup of coffee do the trick, or is he done for the day?)

Also, polls have come in measuring the post-debate slippage: Biden has gone from more-or-less even to about 3 points behind in the polling averages (though individual polls show better or worse results). Also, where early polls had shown other Democrats running far behind Trump, more recent ones show them in more-or-less the same position as Biden: behind, but close. Michelle Obama actually clobbers Trump 50%-39%, but she has shown no interest in running. (It’s common for candidates to look good when they show no interest, only to lose support when they eventually run.) Kamala Harris trails by only 1%, belying the claim that she can’t win. Other Democrats trail by 3-6%.

Friday, Biden did something critics were insisting he needed to do: Sit down for a one-on-one interview with an independent journalist. He talked to ABC’s George Stephanopoulos for 22 minutes, an interview that I found frustrating to watch because it told me so little. Basically, Biden was the guy we elected in 2020: He occasionally had to hunt for the words he wanted, and sometimes he started one sentence and finished another (something I’ve been known to do), but nothing seemed fundamentally wrong with his thinking processes.

But 22 minutes isn’t that impressive, and I was disappointed in Stephanopoulos. Yes, the point of the interview was to test Biden’s sharpness. But couldn’t that purpose have been better accomplished, and the public better served, by asking him difficult questions about inflation, immigration, climate change, and so on? Instead, Stephanopoulos spent 22 minutes asking different versions of the same question: What would have to happen for you to quit the race?

No one should expect any politician to answer that question forthrightly. Quitting a political campaign is like asking for a divorce: You don’t talk about it until you’re ready to do it. In every election cycle, primary candidates swear they’re “in it to win it” right up until the moment they tell their staffs to go home. If Biden were to admit he was thinking about quitting, that would freeze his campaign, stop donors in their tracks, and start a chain reaction that would inevitably lead to him leaving the race. If he’s not ready to do it, he shouldn’t talk about it. No politician would.

Weirdly, commentators seemed not to understand this basic fact of politics, so a common response was that Biden is “in denial” about his situation.

For what it’s worth: CNN offered Trump a similar interview, and he refused. Trump only does interviews on friendly venues like Fox News or Newsmax, and often those are edited before the public sees them. And although Trump complained constantly about how his Manhattan trial was keeping him off the campaign trail, he isn’t actually campaigning that hard now that he can. His schedule for this week shows only two events, one tomorrow and one Saturday. In short, far from showing the youthful vigor Biden is said to lack, Trump has a less rigorous campaign schedule than Biden does — and Biden has a day job.

On the question of whether Biden should be the candidate, I’m less certain than I was last week. I continue to think switching candidates is a messier process than many commentators — I’m looking at you, Ezra Klein — imagine. Switching to anybody but Harris would be suicidal if Harris wasn’t all-in on the plan. And why should she be? Josh Marshall raises an important point in that regard: Who are the convention delegates who would be making that decision, and what small-d democratic legitimacy do they have?

[T]his process [where Harris is skipped over] simply has no legitimacy. And what angers me about these columnists is just the lack of humility. What are they talking about? On what basis and with what legitimacy or authority are they coming up with this fantasy process? We’re way, way off the rails of democratic legitimacy here. In a case like this it behooves us, both politically and far more substantively, to search for sources of legitimacy where we can and make our choices accordingly. And the obvious and clear ones all point to Kamala Harris. The American people chose her as Biden’s replacement in 2020. And while she wasn’t technically nominated for VP during this year’s primary process, in effect she was since Democrats chose Biden again fully knowing she was part of the package. Her name is literally in the name of the campaign.

Finally, it’s hard to discuss what Biden and his party should do next without acknowledging the overwhelming media stampede trying to push him out of the race. I don’t know where this is coming from, but I can’t remember anything quite like it. Monday, the Supreme Court’s decision on presidential immunity — which (as I covered in the previous post) isn’t quite the End of the Republic by itself, but could be a significant step in that direction — barely got air time because speculation about Biden crowded it out. Tuesday, USA Today published a topsy-turvy article that framed the immunity decision as a distraction from Biden’s troubles.

So here’s where I am at the current moment, understanding that new information keeps coming in: I don’t yet see anything in Biden that would keep him from continuing to do the good job he’s been doing these last several years. Going forward, he may have to work less and rest more, but I suspect that even then he would be working far harder than Trump ever did when he was president.

Politically, the question is closer: Biden has something to prove now, and he may not be a skilled enough politician to prove it. At a minimum, he needs more exposure like the Stephanopoulos interview, and he needs to go without any public senior moments, even minor ones, for the rest of the campaign. Can he do that? I’m not sure.

I’m particularly unsure he can prove what he needs to prove in the face of intense opposition from the likes the the NYT, CNN, and other mainstream media outlets. Maybe Obama had the skills to turn something like this around, or maybe Bill Clinton in his prime. But Biden has never been in that class.

No one should minimize the risks in either direction.

I often hear the suggestion that if Biden would just do X, that would put the controversy to bed. So why doesn’t he? Isn’t he just admitting he can’t? (A few days before the Stephanopoulos interview, X was “sit down for a one-on-one interview”. During it, X was “undergo an independent medical evaluation that included neurological and cognitive tests and release the results to the American people.”) But when has such a strategy ever worked? Does anyone ever do X and get the response, “Thank you. We can move on now.”? I have never seen it. Doing X just leads to an explanation of why X wasn’t good enough, followed by a demand that you do Y.

Similarly, the Democratic Party is now hearing that we can move on to talk about the substantive issues of this campaign (democracy vs. authoritarianism, climate change, abortion, Gaza, Ukraine, competition with China, immigration, all the ways Trump will abuse the Supreme Court’s newly invented presidential immunity …) once we do X, namely, replace Biden as our candidate.

Is that true? I doubt it. So does Michelangelo Signorile:

Don’t fall for trap. If Democrats listen to the New York Times and try to replace Biden, NYT will have a new narrative: Democrats in chaos. And they will then have 347 stories a week about whoever is the candidate, all focused on how inexperienced and unprepared that person is.

David Roberts is even more blunt:

So, say Biden stepped aside in favor of Harris tomorrow. How long until the vapid gossips we call political reporters find something wrong with her, some alleged flaw they just have to write 192 stories about? How long until the hopped-up mediocrities we call pundits find some “counter-intuitive” reason that the new Dem ticket is flawed after all? How long until the irredentist left gets over the temporary thrill of its new Harris memes & remembers that she’s a cop & turns on her? How long before the ambient racism & misogyny in the US lead center-leftists to conclude that, sure, they’d support a black woman, just not *this* black woman? In other words: how long before everyone reverts to their comfortable, familiar identity & narratives? About 30 f’ing seconds, is my guess.

Is that take too pessimistic, too cynical? We may soon find out.

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  • Unknown's avatar Anonymous  On July 8, 2024 at 11:44 am

    Biden answering when a nuclear attack is imminent scary

  • Dana Kleveland's avatar Dana Kleveland  On July 8, 2024 at 11:49 am

    Are you trying to get Trump elected?  

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  • Unknown's avatar Anonymous  On July 8, 2024 at 11:55 am

    I think that people who want to defeat Trump should stop talking about Biden’s problems and start talking about Trump’s problems.

  • Unknown's avatar Anonymous  On July 8, 2024 at 11:57 am

    I am personally frustrated by the part where people are judging competence by verbal agility on a man who has a lifelong stuttering issue. I have my own verbal dysfluencies and expect that I would also be at a loss dealing with a Gish Gallop in real time, which has nothing to do with intelligence or competence, just disability.

    Until the media manage to figure out how to refute a stream of lying bullshit with the time they get to review, research, and construct refutations I’m not going to take their handwringing about a man with a relevant disability not being able to do it smoothly at the drop of a hat seriously.

    • Alpha 1's avatar Alpha 1  On July 8, 2024 at 1:43 pm

      Biden overcame his stutter as a young man. It’s why he was able to have a successful career as a politician, and why he was able to handle Trump’s constant lies just fine during the debates in 2020. If Biden can’t control his stutter anymore, what does that mean?

    • Unknown's avatar Anonymous  On July 8, 2024 at 4:13 pm

      That wasn’t the problem. Biden looked old and tired, and that’s what people saw, especially coming off the constant stream of “dementia” accusations. But I agree, the ability to debate effectively shouldn’t matter when we’re looking for a national leader who can get away with giving prepared speeches most of the time.

      But there’s no getting away from the fact that someone watching the debate and having no idea who the two men on stage were, would have said the guy on the right spouted a lot of lies, but came across as stronger and healthier than the guy on the left who was often impossible to understand, even if he was trying to stick to policy positions.

  • Unknown's avatar Anonymous  On July 8, 2024 at 12:10 pm

    THANK you, Doug!!!

  • Unknown's avatar Anonymous  On July 8, 2024 at 12:38 pm

    Biden has something to prove now, and he may not be a skilled enough politician to prove it. At a minimum, he needs more exposure like the Stephanopoulos interview, and he needs to go without any public senior moments, even minor ones, for the rest of the campaign. Can he do that? I’m not sure.

    I’m surprised that you aren’t sure about this – it seems to me that the answer is much more likely to be “no” than “yes”. Even assuming Biden would be a good President for another 4 years, he has never been a very strong campaigner/speaker. And it seems to me like if there was a *single* event that he needed to show up for and not have those kind of issues, it was his first debate.

    The fact that he couldn’t do it for 90 minutes at the most critical juncture makes me fairly confident that he can’t do it for 3-4 months straight. If he could just put in more effort and avoid having that kind of result, he 100% would have done it for this debate.

    Also – I think you may be underestimating how bad Biden looks to a lot of people at this stage. I suspect most people aren’t tuned-in enough to understand the extent to which Biden has always stuttered, etc., so even if he was able to return to 100% of his historical capacity, I doubt it would be enough to allay people’s concerns. I’m aware of it as a long-time reader of your website, and I was actively trying to account for it when watching his debate performance. I hate to say it, but it still looked quite bad to me.

  • Unknown's avatar Anonymous  On July 8, 2024 at 1:27 pm

    Anonymous said: “I think you may be underestimating how bad Biden looks to a lot of people at this stage.” 

    I think that, too. And I suspect everybody around Biden is also underestimating it.

    Part of it is, I think, that millions of people have dealt with aging relatives, dementia, etc. in their own families and it horrifies them to imagine their dear dotty grandpa two years from now, or three, much less four. These things don’t get better, do they? My experiences suggest that they don’t, they just get worse, not to mention incredibly more demanding on everybody around them. People know this from their own iives.

    The other thing that doesn’t seem to get mentioned (at least not in what I’m reading) is how many Dems have been sickened by the Hamas/Israel war and our part in it. But those same people think Joe did a good job in. his first term and in that sense deserves re-election, plus they can’t bear voting for Trump. So this “aging” problem gives them (maybe me?) more reason/excuse to oppose him than they had before the debate. As I said, I don’t see these two matters discussed in print, but I hear it a lot about them from my Dem. friends who have a.) cared for older parents, and/or b.)watched the debate and felt dismay and fear.

  • Unknown's avatar Anonymous  On July 8, 2024 at 1:37 pm

    I’ve seen claims that promoting Harris at this point in time looks like a liberal coup attempt. However, with 20/20 hindsight, the Dem primary looks rather like a coup also: ushering in Biden without a meaningful primary was a mistake.

    Disclaimer: at the time I also just wanted Biden, not another Dem internecine battle. I wanted a proven quantity rather than throwing dice. But I can appreciate why many folks today would wonder how, given everyone we have available and our history of raucous democracy, did we end up with Biden and Trump?

  • Alpha 1's avatar Alpha 1  On July 8, 2024 at 1:57 pm

    The situation with Biden is that he’s a sundowning old man and 72% of voters think his brain is too bad to be president. It’s even worse than Trump. How do you win an election when 3/4th of the country thinks your candidate’s brain is mush?

    • Alpha 1's avatar Alpha 1  On July 8, 2024 at 2:08 pm

      Mind you, any plan to turn the campaign around can’t involve Biden doing things after 4pm, because that’s when he starts sundowning:

      “Biden’s miscues and limitations are more familiar inside the White House.

      • The time of day is important as to which of the two Bidens will appear.
      • From 10am to 4pm, Biden is dependably engaged — and many of his public events in front of cameras are held within those hours.
      • Outside of that time range or while traveling abroad, Biden is more likely to have verbal miscues and become fatigued, aides told Axios.”
      • Unknown's avatar Anonymous  On July 8, 2024 at 2:29 pm

        People who have traveled abroad know that nearly everyone gets fatigued traveling abroad. It’s called Jet Lag. Almost every one get it to some degree. There are strategies to minimize it, but nothing that makes it magically disappear.

      • Alpha 1's avatar Alpha 1  On July 8, 2024 at 2:38 pm

        This isn’t jetlag. Biden gets fatigued and less coherent after 4pm no matter where he is because he’s sundowning. Travel is a problem for him because “spending a day in a place that’s not familiar” makes sundowning worse.

  • Unknown's avatar Anonymous  On July 8, 2024 at 2:40 pm

    Biden is not the same man he was in 2020. His interview with Stephanopoulos did little to change that impression. When asked by George about what the future held, he consistently talked about the past. Being president is a very tough job, and there is little doubt in my mind that Joe Biden is frail. Therefore, the symptoms that we are seeing will definitely worsen over the next four years. This decline will undoubtedly be noted not only domestically but internationally. It will Definitely be noticed over the next four months. And could clearly contribute to his defeat. With rare exception that has yet to be defined, we should not have presidents in their 80s.

  • Steve Hancox's avatar Steve Hancox  On July 8, 2024 at 4:29 pm

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    div>I try to avoid knee jerk reactions and have been thinking a lot about the Biden issue.  Biden says it was just one bad day.  But Presidents can’t have a bad day as bad as that. They can’t be unfocused and unab

  • Geoff Arnold's avatar Geoff Arnold  On July 8, 2024 at 5:35 pm

    I’m glad Anonymous mentioned the Gaza factor. I’m not sure what the age distribution of readers and commenters here looks like (mostly 60+, I suspect), but among potential Democrat voters aged 18-35 Gaza is an absolutely huge issue. A good (young) friend asked me, “Why is Biden allowing Bibi to humiliate him? Didn’t he learn anything from Obama’s experience?” These young, generally liberal voters are absolutely not going to vote for Trump, but their disgust for Biden’s policies means that they may simply not vote. And obviously in such a knife-edge election, the Democrats cannot win without them.

    My personal preference is for Biden to resign as President, turn the Presidency over to Harris, and have one of the swing state governors appointed as VP. (Not Newsom: two Californians would be suicidal.) And Harris can use the last few months before the election to stake out a much tougher line on Israel, so that she’s not tainted with Biden’s fence-sitting reputation.

    Coincidentally, we’ve just been through a UK General Election that was notable for the fact that several Labour candidates lost to Independents, each of whom was protesting Starmer’s Biden-like ambivalence over Gaza. Older liberals ignore this issue at their peril.

    (Suggested reading: a liberal Israeli perspective.)

    • Geoff Arnold's avatar Geoff Arnold  On July 8, 2024 at 6:01 pm

      My friend may have been confusing Obama with Bill Clinton, whose famously angry reaction after his first meeting with Netanyahu was “Who’s the f—- superpower here?”

    • Unknown's avatar Anonymous  On July 8, 2024 at 6:11 pm

      I’m not necessarily in favor of Biden dropping out of the race. But if he does, I think that’s the way to do it. Not only stop his re-election campaign, but also step down as President so that Harris is running then as the incumbent.

      Josh Shapiro, governor of Pennsylvania might be an option for VP. Pennsylvania is a big swing state, and I think that he’s a popular Governor there.

      It would be hard to get any Democratic nominee for Vice President approved by the current congress. But Congress doesn’t have any say in who Harris picks as her running mate.

  • Unknown's avatar Anonymous  On July 8, 2024 at 6:22 pm

    The ONLY people I’ve seen concerned about this at all is the media. I’ve talked to twenty-somethings, Millenials, and folks my age (60) and older, and they talk about different issues with Biden (with the youngsters, it’s Gaza; with the Millenials it’s inflation and housing prices; and the older folks don’t have a lot of criticism).

    As Doug points out, the media is creating a monster like the ridiculous “But her emails” scandal, that can be used and leveraged at any point in the campaign. Would Comey’s blunder in announcing a new investigation of Clinton had the effect it did if it didn’t come after years of media drumming up a fake scandal?

    Biden will cough once in late October and we’ll be inundated with stories how the Dems should have replaced him when they had the chance and he’ll be lucky if he survives long enough to be elected.

  • Unknown's avatar Anonymous  On July 9, 2024 at 8:57 am

    P.S. and yes. . .In today’s Atlantic Magazine, Conor Friedersdorf gives me the answer for my friends who say, “Biden has earned another term,” which I admit to having said, too:

    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2024/07/joe-biden-loyalty-argument/678939/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=the-atlantic-am&utm_term=The+Atlantic+AM

  • Unknown's avatar Anonymous  On July 9, 2024 at 9:45 pm

    For a man who normally has clear thinking, you are just crazed for Biden, and always have been. He did a terrible job on the recent interview; imagine saying that ‘as long as he does his goodest it’s okay to lose to Trump’? Or his arrogant ‘I run the world’? What is that expect sheer narcissism? When Biden loses (by a lot) what will you say then? I’m a long-time, active Democrat. I will not vote for Biden. I resent his ramming this ‘binary choice’ down my throat, and ignoring what 74% of voters want, a younger and far more capable leader.

    • Unknown's avatar Anonymous  On July 11, 2024 at 12:33 pm

      Given our current two-party system, voting is always a binary choice. You can vote for the Democrat, vote for the Republican, or do something else that leaves the decision up to the people who did one of the first two.

      There are people who have ideas about how to change that dynamic, but that’s where we are now.

      For ideas about changing the dynamic, here’s an author talk with Steven Levitsky and Daniel Ziblatt about their book “Tyranny of the Minority”:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5H4B0Qi-Ps

  • Unknown's avatar Anonymous  On July 11, 2024 at 5:18 am

    The best analysis of the disaster of the Biden campaign I’ve encountered is from the Obama team that now does Pod Save America.

    His campaign specifically chose the early debate in order to dispel the notion that Biden has grown too frail to serve a second term. And then in the face of unmitigated disaster, failed to present him immediately and repeatedly in situations where he could show everyone that his performance was clearly a one-off he gets a Mulligan for.

    Waiting a full week for the Stephanopoulos interview only fed the concerns. Biden’s responses (he said he doesn’t think he watched the debate – wtf? – either he did or he didn’t), after a week of rehearsal, were simply more of the same unfocused, poorly messaged attempts to sell his past rather than what the campaign is about – the future.

    Already polling has shown movement against Biden where it matters: in the swing states. The Cook report has already moved several more toward Trump and down-ballot Republican candidates against Dems a continued Biden candidacy is putting at risk. Even previous locks like New Hampshire are becoming uncertain.

    Is the Democratic Party really going to bet the outcome of this election campaign, already woefully mismanaged, on the cross-the-fingers-on-both-hands hope that Biden, over the next four months, doesn’t have any more public displays that generated this concern? That’s madness. And when the next one happens, it will likely be too late to change horses.

    The best way forward, the best probability of keeping the convicted felon out of the White House and fully cloaked in his new absolute immunity with his sycophants marching full speed ahead with Project 2025, is for Joe Biden to acknowledge that, like a starting pitcher who gave it his all but can’t finish the game, it’s time to turn things over to his own hand-picked closer, a person who will provide the more youthful, energetic, and powerful contrast needed to defeat Donald Trump.

    Joe Biden should immediately resign his office and allow Kamala Harris to finish his term and run as the Democratic incumbent ready to preserve our democracy along with the next generation of anti-authoritarian leadership, as Hakeem Jeffries has done in the House following Nancy Pelosi.

    Our nation owes an unpayable debt of gratitude for the exceptional career (all things considered) of Joe Biden, and especially for pulling American out of the absolute train wreck his predecessor caused. But his duty to his country now is to acknowledge the painful reality of how things stand today, and to step aside for a future that does not include him.

    • weeklysift's avatar weeklysift  On July 13, 2024 at 8:24 am

      You’re at least the second person to suggest Biden should resign now. This seems like a really bad idea to me, for two reasons: (1) Until a new VP is selected, Mike Johnson is next in line to be president. (2) The 25th Amendment does allow the new president to appoint a VP, but only if both houses approve the choice by majority vote.

      It seems obvious to me that Johnson would block the VP vote in the House, so until January he would be next in line. It’s almost an invitation for some Christian nationalist to kill Harris.

      • Unknown's avatar Anonymous  On July 15, 2024 at 4:24 am

        Yes, good points.

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